Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - Autopilot Through a State of Shock

Episode Date: February 26, 2026

CC465: In today's episode, the Kail and Lindsie catch up after a whirlwind week of life-altering changes. Lindsie opens up about her recent breakup and the shocking way she discovered the truth on Valentine's Day, while Kail recounts a stressful 24-hour power outage that led to a surprising moment of family bonding. The ladies also get into some true crime talk with a debate on the possibility of rehabilitation for the Menendez brothers versus the parents of Gabriel Fernandez.Thank you to our sponsors!Cozy Earth: Go to cozyearth.com/COFFEECONVOS for up to 20% off!Leesa Mattress: Go to Leesa.com for 20% off PLUS get an extra $50 off with promo code COFFEESuper+ RX: Go to Super.com/rx to see how much you can save on your prescriptionsSKIMS: Check out our favorite bras and underwear at http://www.skims.com/coffeeSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

I hate gift giving and receiving. Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say thank you? This is coffee convoes with Kail Lowry and Lindsay Crisley. I really want you to be in your feels, Kail. That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family, and life in the public eye.

I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kail and Lindsay. Good morning, kitty cats. Good morning. I got my fabletics on. I got a quarter zip from Fabletics. You know what?

You and I, I posted yesterday on my Instagram that we have so much more in common than what I think that people actually realize. And some of the stuff we do is really like unhinged sister type stuff because I was wearing that exact outfit yesterday. Are you serious? I swear to you. Did you take a picture in it? Because that would be so funny if I take a selfie and you took a picture in it and then it's like here's the side by side. I do have a picture. Okay.

perfect we're in it on the southern tea yesterday actually with becky and i gave her briefly my life updates okay and i just number one i love her so much and i love y'all's clips on social media for carmen chaos it's a mess it's funny like when i saw y'all like tucking and rolling on the thing i'm like what what's happening she cheated like she had a whole strategy and technique and i hadn't even these videos. So I didn't know there was a strategy. You know what I mean? Like I was not prepared. I was bamboozled by Becky. And so I wasn't prepared. But by the end, I got the hang of it. And I was like, all right, bet I'm going to do this. But Lindsay, I have to tell you about my 24 hours without electric, by electricity. I don't know that I could survive that. I had a crying moment, broke down,

told the kids how proud I was of them. It was around 7 p.m. when I was, we were like, all right, we got to pack up all our stuff come to the content house because the content house is in a different town. So it had power. And so everybody packs their bag. We have the nugget couches in the in the Denali ready to go. And Raising Cains was open. So we're like, okay, we're going to go get Raising Cains. We hadn't eaten really. And Twizz calls. And he's like, he works for the power company. He's like, I think your power is back on. So I called Ike and I sent him to the house to check and sure shit was on. So I start crying. I'm like, I'm so proud of you guys. Like there didn't argue. They didn't give me a hard time. Elliot was like, you know, he doesn't like kids. He was engaging with his sibling. Like it was just such a good

24 hours. And it really didn't start getting cold in the house until around six, seven, six, seven. Six seven. So then we, we ended up just turning around. And then Lux was so upset because he was like, I was ready to have a sleep over at the content house. Bless his heart. He wanted something different. He did. He was ready. He's like, we need a change. We do. Man, have I had the life changes since last Friday? No, the Friday before.

Yeah, I've seen a couple things, but I don't believe anything on the internet unless it comes from your mouth. Yeah. It's been quite the whirlwind. I was crying all morning this morning. I was crying all yesterday morning. And usually I try, like, not to cry it out. But I had not cried. I had not cried since the stuff became available, like, on Reddit.

And that was the same day that I found out about it. Are you serious? Yeah. So I am single. The stuff was available on Reddit on Valentine's Day. And I found out on Valentine's Day. What is wrong with people? Like, genuinely.

what is wrong with people um i'm not really sure i think a lot of times people make spur of the moment decisions and don't realize the implications in that moment and it's heartbreaking because over a year and a half of my life just feels like it imploded yeah and then you're like where do i go from here like i i don't think that i've slept five nights by myself in a year and a half Like he's literally up looking at my ceiling fan at 4.30 a.m. Has he reached out to you? I know we've talked, but like has he? Yeah, yesterday.

And how are you feeling? Like, are you wanting to talk to him? Are you not wanting to talk to him? I mean, I communicated because at this point, it's like we invested that amount of time. And I said, I'm not angry. I'm not angry. Not yet. maybe you will be, but how are you not?

I think like you go through, remember how you and I talked about like you go through different phases of grief and they're not linear. So you can like get to one phase before you get to another and then you experience that. So I don't know at what point I will get angry, but I'm not angry at all. I have not been mad.

I think a state of shock is probably what I'm still in. a state of sadness, um, although not my actions slightly humiliated. Yeah, I can, I can understand that. Does, does Jackson know? Well, I had actually been blocked from being able to see anything on that side of stuff. Um, Jackson was not blocked. And then Jackson entered the chat on social media. Mm-hmm. and said what?

I'll have to send you the screenshots of what was said, but it was, it was a teaching moment for me as a parent because while I understand he's 13 years old, he has his opinions, and I don't know if you felt like this, but this is a person that was a part of his life, like, intricately. And so I think there's hurt there too. So it was a really hard. And a fine line that I'm trying to walk with him because while I don't believe that he probably should have done that on social media, at the same time, he's hurting too. Right.

Right. You know, and there was a lot of messages that came through the Southern Tea Facebook group saying, why would Lindsay let him be a part of what's going on? like I get it and people look at him and I'm sure people look at your children in the same way and like forget that they're like more grown up than they were on TV and they have seen things dealt with things and the people that are now no longer in their life were intricate parts of their life. I just I think that and I'm guilty of it too. So I want to I just want to put that out there. I'm not claiming to be perfect. But I think so often like, we do forget the ramifications of the fact that, like, sometimes our choices, good, bad,

ugly, they do affect other people. And obviously that's not the intention, but like, they do affect other people. And so when he was making these choices, he certainly didn't think about you, but he definitely didn't think about how that would impact a child involved, right? Or like other people that are around you, right? Because, I mean, it impacts me. And like, I'm your friend, right? Like, you're not, and, you know, I've had conversations with him. He's called me. We've talked about things. And, like, I don't know. Like, that makes me feel like, like, I trusted you for, for Lindsay as well. Do you know what I mean? Like, I put my trust in you because Lindsay put her trust in you. So, like, that's really upsetting. I mean, I would say

I'm heartbroken, but I don't know if that's the right word either. Fair. I keep saying to myself, like, this was, this was like the plan, like, whether it be the universe, whether it be God, like, there is a reason for absolutely everything. And I don't want to get super nasty about it. I mean, I don't know if I will get there where I feel like, okay, let's go, guns blazing. I don't want to be super nasty about it. I've been doing a decent amount of. reading, trying to navigate through it and sit with myself. And I want to give a level of respect to the relationship that we did have for the good parts. And it was not all bad. And unfortunately, because decisions that were made that were not my decisions, I now have to live with the repercussions of those decisions. And that's what's been so hard for me that I have to live with the repercussions of it. Others, like our children, have to live with the repercussions of it.

And he has to live with the repercussions of it. I'm really proud of you for not, like, getting super nasty. This isn't funny. But when we first started the podcast, you said in this episode that were more alike than you would think. And with therapy and growth and learned experience, obviously, after making the same choices over and over and over again on my end, That was some, like, I was angry, but I also never got nasty with Elijah.

Like, I never in text message, like, I would like rage text him and he, but like, I also said that to him. I'm like, I don't know what I want from you, but like I can't help rage texts. I would like say like, I can't believe it. Like I would say like messages like that and sort of rage text him, but I never got nasty anywhere else. I never, um, I didn't want that for myself. I didn't want that for him. Like even though he made that. decision or like did that it just like wasn't me being nasty doesn't change anything and so for you

like I could I I understand where you're at with that and I just I don't know I I wish things weren't so public sometimes like obviously it's our story to tell if we decide to tell it like you have done and I have done whoever posted it or whoever took the pictures and things like that like did they take them with the intention to post it? Did they take it with the intention to show you? And like, we'll never know. I hope it was for good intentions and then it just happened to be on the internet. But like it doesn't have to be on the internet. I mean, I've tried to put myself in those shoes that if I knew somebody was someone's boyfriend and I saw them doing that as a girl's girl, I probably would take photo evidence because anybody can say whatever they want to say, right?

Like, oh, I saw so-and-so here doing X, Y, and Z. But it's really hard to dispute not acknowledge or dispute photo and video evidence of. There was something that I read online not too long ago. And it was something about like when your man does something to you, You need all the proof in the world, even though it's true. But if your best friend, like, lies to you or something like that, like, you believe that person stabbed you in the back right off the bat with no proof, but you won't believe when your man lies to you.

So it was something along those lines where it's like, you need proof for this, but you don't need proof for this. And I just, I don't need proof. Like, I just, if someone's saying this is what they did, like, I believe it. I mean, I've done a lot of just thinking and laying by myself, right? And I think that I instinctively knew, like my, maybe like subconsciously knew something wasn't right. But what I found out was not anything in the realm of what I thought. Right.

I thought maybe like lying about whereabouts, but not what actually transpired. So it just been very hurtful. I feel like I've been through a lot. I talk to Becky about this. She is such a voice of reason. And like I love her for that. You and I are kind of guns blazing and it's like get two idiots in a room and we'll fuck it up. Becky's like, let's be healthy about this.

I think therapy is working for her and I'm still struggling. Like therapy is working, but it's just working a little slower on my end. Yeah, but there's a lot of trauma there to unpack. I just... Cozy Earth, let me just tell you guys, I just unboxed my brand new bamboo comforter. I'm obsessed with this. This bamboo comforter is a foundational cozy earth essential crafted with intention to support deeper rest. And when I tell you, the mattress plus the comforter is a game changer. I am not kidding. These are designed with naturally breathable temperature regulating materials and you're going to love them. They also have essential socks, a small,

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But I do feel like if you are with somebody, you kind of have a due diligence to think about the things that that person has been through. And the last five years of my life have been absolute hell, whether that be other relationships or my divorce or my parent stuff. Like it's been a whirlwind truly and feels like I've been in a state of hell for five years. And then for something to just end in the way that it ended and thinking back on the relationship.

And it's like I was so happy. Like you literally robbed my happiness and an act. hour. And all for something that truly didn't matter to him, right? Like, if it didn't mean anything, then why do it? Do you know what I mean? I know. And I do somewhat and people say, oh, well, you're an idiot for that. I do somewhat believe that it was like a very drunken decision. however I have to look at my life in totality like if I was married and my husband decided to make a drunken decision would I forgive it would you no I wouldn't I here's the thing it's like I have a new perspective on like cheating in general right like you kind of have to literally weigh the pros and

cons because it's like look at the life that you have built together. Is this a life that you would want to continue living in? Could you move past it for the bigger picture, the life that you built together? If you, if the answer is no, you think you could do it by yourself and you think that you could still be happy without it, then I would say, no, it's not, it's not worth revisiting. But if you think that this is a life that we've worked really hard for and this is something I want to fight for, you can do that. And I think that is probably how a lot of people end up getting through infidelity that and, you know, honestly being stuck in the circumstances. Like, I can't afford to leave or whatever. I understand that part of it, too.

But like for this one specifically, that's not the case. Do you like the life that you've built with him? Is this something that you could recover from? Actually, that's exactly everything that I was thinking about yesterday. And I keep going back to the same drawing board of if something, like this happened one time and you're so quick to get over it. Is that a free pass to allow the behavior at a later date? And so that's something that I'm really, really struggling with. And as much as I would love to just, you know, throw the towel in and be like, okay, we can go to therapy and we can try to figure out how to work on this stuff. I am definitely not in any type of place to even process that with somebody else. And I don't know that I would, I think if you have no

trust in a relationship, you have nothing. Agreed. And so that's what I'm hung up on. Like, I can love you. I don't have to like certain actions, but I can still love you. I don't have to like certain actions, but I can still love you. I just have to do that from afar. It's hard. It's really fucking hard. It's just a really sad reality. And I don't know if you struggle with this or struggled with this too.

But I feel like sometimes when people are talking about stuff on the internet, like, yes, you have every right to be able to do that. I guess that's what people use the internet for. But like, please remember that we're also humans and we're also. also navigating emotions. And that's not just for me and you. That's also the other people that are involved, like whether they were in the wrong or whatever, they're still now having to navigate stuff. So I just want to say it's not going to help me. It's not going to better the situation for people to be going on his pages and sending nasty messages and stuff like that. Like it's,

it's completely unnecessary. Agreed. It doesn't, it just fuels the fire. And then it just creates more hurt in the long run, I feel. And things can be also taken out of context. And then people report on like what is taking out of context. And it just perpetuates this entire cycle. So I'm with you on that. I am totally in alignment. I just obviously hope for you that you have whatever it is that you need right now to kind of get through this time because support is the only thing that's going to get you through. And I promise you that. I mean, I'm just thankful you're not spiraling the way I did. you know, like $20,000 on a driveway. I didn't need a Lubuobu obsession for a couple thousand.

It was spiraling in ways that I was like, yikes, Kail. Definitely don't want to see you go through that. Becky literally dropped everything she was doing to come stay with me for a week. And it was, I mean, if I could do that for you, I would because you're how weird. Like you could be go, you're literally on autopilot where you're like doing your daily stuff, whatever that looks like, and you're going through the motions, but your head is somewhere else. And it's really, really hard to, like, love someone and to be grieving all of that and to be, like, in such a sad state and to feel so alone. Yesterday, I recorded, cleaned the house, did laundry,

and I just, it's so true about the autopilot. Like, you get, like, into this rhythm, and it's almost like, I was driving somewhere yesterday and I got down the road and I guess like my intuition knew where I was going because I was driving the right direction. But I'm like, where am I going? That's autopilot. You're like, hold on. What, what am I supposed to be doing? And I'm so glad that I'm going to be with you and Ike for a couple of days in Dallas because I think that that'll really help. I think it's going to help. Like, I think I haven't seen you in since what, September? September, yeah. So it'll be like. like six months from September.

Isn't it crazy? So it'll be nice to just like catch up. And I know it's for work, but we'll also be able, like we're going to go to dinner and stuff. So it'll be really nice to just like see you and try to keep our mind off of anything bad. Anything going on. I keep saying to myself, this two shall pass. And it will.

And it will. It will pass. Like it will pass. I now bought extensions and had them overnighted to myself. You know, I've got a med. Or like what? Oh, no. No, girl.

Are you taking them to like the salon to put them in? Literally 22 inches. Wait, so you can just buy extensions and then you just have them installed? Yeah. So how you're going to go get them sewn in before we go to Dallas? I don't know if I'm going to have time to go and get them sewn in before we go to Dallas. But because Southern Tea is rebranding and there's lots of things that are going in in that world as well, I was like, you know what? A breakup, a rebranding on a podcast, I'm really going to fuck it up.

Like, throw some 22s on it. You know? 22s on that bitch. I'm going to blot. I'm going to bleach my hair out as white as I possibly can get it. And it's just going to be a whole new vibe. And I don't know if you went through this or not, but the glow up is, coming. So necessary. You know what? When big things happen and girls cut their hair, like you're not cutting your hair, but you're going to do a big glow up, which is essentially the same thing. And I'm here for it. I really am. I'm like, I'm not blown up right now because I was crying in my bed till the wee hours of the morning. And then I was looking at my ceiling fan blades spin around at 4.30 a.m. And then I went back to sleep for a little bit, got up. I don't know why.

at what point I thought this recording was at 9 o'clock. I got up at 8 o'clock and I was like, oh, well, let me go, like, wipe my counter. I mean, it's psychosis is the state that I'm in. And then I'm like, oh, wow, that recording is really not until 10. So then I went back to bed again. And then, so I had a scheduling conflict because I had one of the boys had an appointment and then it got rescheduled. And then Becky sent me a picture sitting at her desk because she, She thought I was recording karma and chaos, but I had told everybody that I only had time in my schedule for one recording and I needed to do coffee combos.

And so now Becky is going to record with guests for karma and chaos and I'm not going to be on that recording. But yeah, it was just because of the two snow days back to back, today feels like Monday to me. And then I thought I was going to be late because I thought I forgot my laptop, but I, excuse me, I didn't forget my laptop. up. And so it's been a very Monday of a Wednesday. My whole life has felt like a Monday for almost two weeks. So I very much relate to that. I'm so sorry. I am so sorry. And you know, it's it's one of those situations too. It's like it's not just extensions. And I understand why you got into like the obsessive buying of stuff. I don't want to go down that path. But I very much when I go through something

hard. I'll like reorganize my whole house or remember when I bought all those freaking plants. Oh, I've all spiraled with the plants. Like what business did I have doing that? We're just searching for the dopamine that we need during a difficult time. That's really, that's what, and very, very human of us. I do have to ask you, we were talking about 3D printers the other day. Yes. when we recorded and Jackson, does your kids like go in and out of it where he wants to like use it all afternoon for an entire day? And then he won't look at it for five days and then he's using it all day again. So we just did it that one time and then the kids have been trying to use it every day since. So they thought there was a clog in it. And so Elliot started taking it apart

and there was no clog in it. And now we don't know how to put it back together. So I need to message them and see if there's nothing. Like we didn't break it. It's not broken. We just don't know how to put it back together. So Elliot was supposed to message them and see if he could send it back just for them to put it back together and then send it back to us. I do need to ask you, have you been like following all of the updates on Nancy Guthrie?

I have not super been followed. I did see some stuff about like the cartel. And then I saw somebody with like a backpack that was potentially matched to a potential person of interest. But outside of that, I don't know any information. Yeah. So number one, it's just the wildest thing to me. So I did not realize that I believe it was reported that maybe maybe a month prior to this,

if we're calling an abduction, a kidnapping, whatever it is. I think it was like a month prior to that. She was with Savannah on some type of like televised interview. And then all of a sudden at 80 something years old, some person has just abducted or gotten away with it. They found gloves. They found that backpack. They found multiple different items and have ran DNA on,

They ran DNA on the glove, and from what I saw, the glove looked exactly like what whoever was wearing when they abducted her. Ran DNA, no matches. Something's, like, why hurt? Something's very weird about it. I was down the rabbit hole thinking that it was like a connection to the Epstein files. Like, that's literally what I thought at first because of her daughter being one of those. being one of or the first reporter who interviewed one of the victims. I remember you telling me that part, but I just, I can't understand if it was cartel.

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there are and for several reasons. So try to follow the bouncing ball here because I'm going to tie it all up at some point. One, I saw a big creator. You guys know Bailey Sarian. She got really emotional in this video talking about the Epstein files. And like genuinely I am with her. Like it is terrifying to think about all of the people in our country that we are supposed to trust that have been involved with the Epstein files and Jeffrey Epstein and Galangelo and

things like that. But I also am concerned because I do believe that things were going on in, you know, with Jeffrey and Galane and everybody. And I do think things were going on that are very dark and very, very scary. But I don't know about all of this stuff that's coming up on social media that is like very, very far-fetched. But like, I, almost don't know what to believe. And that's a scary place to be because it's like, my kids are seeing this and they're asking me questions. Like Lincoln literally asked me this morning about people in the Epstein files, did they really eat babies? Like he's, he's 12 years old. And my 12 year old is talking to me about, is this really happening? Did this

really go on? And I genuinely don't know how much of the far fetch stuff is true or false. And that is terrifying to me because like I don't have answers for him and I basically like it's like do I tell him to believe it and like there are really people out here that are horrible horrible humans or do I protect his innocence or what Jackson and his buddy were actually talking about the Epstein files when we were in the car the other day and it kind of took me by surprise and I don't I don't know why I was surprised that they would know about it because obviously have access to the internet and that's what everybody's talking about right now. But Number one, it was kind of like an uncomfortable conversation for me with this friend in the car because what I might say to my child, I might not say in front of someone else.

And so trying to navigate that aspect of it, listening to the things that they were saying, realizing at 13 years old, and I mean, probably somewhat good, but then somewhat feel like it's stealing their innocence, you know, pedophiles. it's a really scary place to be. And now after what happened with Jackson with my breakup and then the Epstein files, like how much is too much internet? I mean, I would love to just be able to take the kids' phones, but they need them. And I don't know. It's not realistic at this point. No, it's not.

I just, I'm, it's hard for me because I'm also outraged by the fact that like we're again, like, I know that we're kind of far removed from the Super Bowl stuff, but like we're more outraged and people are speaking up to, you know, bad bunny or, you know, we're talking about that kind of thing versus the Epstein files. Like, I don't know. Like, I genuinely am so concerned about the state of everything here. Like I think that there's so much information. What I fear is that we're likely never going to have all of the answers. Also, while we're in the topic of horrible fucking people, do you remember circa 2020-ish, 2021-ish? I want to say it was 2020. I was in Iceland.

I got COVID real bad. That was the first time I had COVID. And so I stayed home in Iceland while everyone else went out and I watched the Gabriel Hernandez documentary on Netflix where the parent, the mom and I believe the stepdad it was. I don't remember if it was the bio dad or the stepdad abused Gabriel to the point where he ended up passing away. that story? Yeah. First of all, I want to say that Gabriel, I have thought about Gabriel Hernandez on a regular basis since I heard about the story.

So maybe not every single day, but very frequently over the years, came across an article about how his mom is trying to get parole. And I have a lot of feelings about this. there are people that I do think do awful, awful things, but they can sort of redeem themselves, not redeem themselves. Let me not use that word, but rehabilitate themselves like the Menendez brothers, right? Like there are a few other people that I could maybe think of that may be worth maybe exonerating or getting a pardon, whatever. Gabriel Hernandez's parents are not those people for me.

Those people deserve to rot exactly where they are. and I have no empathy or sympathy whatsoever. And I'm actually disgusted that she has the audacity to go up in front of the parole board. So I have this article. And this was on ABC7.com. And so it says Gabriel, oh, I'm sorry. I've been saying Hernandez. It's Fernandez.

And I'm so sorry. That was my bad. So the Gabriel Fernandez. So he was eight years old when he was murdered by child abuse. And so she's 42. She was sentenced in, the mom was sentenced in March of 2018. I did not hear about the case until 2020.

Gabriel died May of 2013. And she has filed two resentencing petitions contending that she should not now be convicted of murder because of recent changes in the state law that affects defendants like her. Her boyfriend was sentenced to death. And so I'm glad that that was the case. But I honestly, so it's not the parole board. I misspoke. It was resentencing.

It says these repeated requests to be resentenced are unfair and unjust to Gabriel. Gabriel's family, his siblings, and our LA community. Having to continuously relive these events and trauma for the family is not humane. At some point in the criminal justice process, we must stand up for the victims and for justice. So as long as I'm around this planet, I will continue to do my part and make sure Gabriel receives justice and is never forgotten. gotten. And I literally had chills when I read that because I wholeheartedly agree that his parents should never come out of prison. They don't deserve a shorter sentence. And that's, I'll die on that hill. So I, I tend to agree with you, but then I disagree with you about the Menendez.

Because how are you going to apply that mindset to one situation, but we're going to selectively not apply it somewhere else. And so I'm like, it should just be fair across the board. Like you did the crime, regardless of the circumstances, you did the crime, so you do the time. It's a little different, I feel. Nobody said that they needed to go and buy a firearm and go into their parents' home and blow their heads off. I would agree with you. Regardless of, and I'm not.

not trying to downplay the abuse. Like, that's not what I'm saying. But how are we going to apply one set of rules to one case and then we're not applying those same rules to somewhere else? So my argument for that specifically is that Gabriel's parents, their frontal lobes were fully developed. They had other children. They knew what they were doing. They are horrible human beings. I think the Menendez brothers, while I don't agree with what they did, right? Like, I can't sit here and justify the fact that they did it. Their frontal lobes were not fully developed. There was trauma and abuse in those situations.

And I think that they have served essentially like a life sentence. I think in some states, life is 20 years, right? They have served over 20 years. And not only that, but like they can't go on to like, they missed sort of the life window to do other things. And so I feel like if they were to get out, it really would just be to like not really do much because their lives. I mean, they're in their 50s now, I think. Like, what are you really going to do for the next 20 years?

Do you think that? I mean, you could in theory, but people like that can be rehabilitated and enter back into regular society and live normally. functional lives, because I do not believe so. I think some people can. I think the Menendez brothers would. I don't honestly think that everyone can do it,

but I do think that some people can. Like when people are like, oh, people can change or whatever. It takes a certain amount of, like some sort of life-changing event or hitting rock bottom. or something like that for certain people. Obviously, that doesn't apply to everyone.

But for the Menendez brothers, I do think that their specific crime was very, very specific to their situation. I never thought that they would be a threat to society and other people in society. I tend to disagree a little bit. I think once you've done something that heinous, we know the capabilities there, right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I guess what your argument is valid.

I just, I don't know. I feel like I would love the opportunity. Like, BTC, for example, like, he's where he needs to be. He's a threat to society until he dies, right? Like, I don't think there's rehabilitating him. I watched that documentary actually not too long ago. Too. With the daughter.

Mm-hmm. And I kind of have, like, mixed feelings on that situation with the daughter. Wait, why? What do you mean? She said that, I don't know. know if you remember like her saying that it has affected her life in a way that just being associated has impacted so much and I get it. But then you're also choosing to sign up to do a documentary. Well, I think for her, like, because I did think about that. But I'm like, for her,

people are talking about her and like in real life every day or they're going to talk about her. So whether she's in the public eye or not and sharing her story, she's going to be talked about and be uncomfortable either way. So she might as well put her story out there to let it be known that like this is what she's struggling with because I mean, it's the same thing. Like if you and I were to disappear from the internet and just go live our, our regular lives every day, would we be talked about as much as we are now? No, but we would still be talked about.

We would still be pursued to see, you know, five years from now, what are they doing? You know what I mean? So or they would have negative things to say still. So I feel like and who knows? I mean, maybe she got paid to do it because she hadn't done. one in a long time or whatever. Like maybe, you know, it's like if people are going to talk about this either way, I might as well get paid anyway. I mean, I do get that mentality too. Actually, have you ever thought about just like disappearing off the internet? Yeah, I do think about it

pretty frequently. Me too. I thought about it yesterday. I'm like driving. This is recent. This is a recent thought. Yeah. It was like, and I was like yesterday like, okay, realistically speaking, could I remove my presence from the internet? Obviously, there's a digital. footprint, whatever's out there is going to be out there. But like, if I remove myself today, like, what would be my plan? Because I do feel like it would be sort of unrealistic for me at this point. Like, in terms of like financially, I don't know how I would make the same income, not being on the internet. But like, in theory, could I do it? Yes. Um, it would be a very quiet and private life for sure. But would it? I feel like it would. Like, I feel like if I was

Because when I think of myself off the internet, I don't think I would also consume, like, if I'm not on the internet, if I'm not posting because I do make money from that, I'm not consuming any. I'm talking about, I remove myself. I'm also deleting TikTok, Instagram, Facebook. I'm not going to consume content either. I also agree with that. Like, if I ever went off of the internet, I would have no apps. I'm packing for Dallas. Lindsay and I are headed to Dallas this weekend and I'm super excited because I packed all my skims essentials,

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Were you reading any of the stuff? So, I mean, unfortunately, I had to get on, remember like back in what would it have been like 2012-ish era where you live tweeted the shows? Yeah, yep. Remember that? And I think that it was pretty standard for a lot of networks that they wanted the cast of the show to be live tweeting and interacting with the fan. So unfortunately, I had to get Twitter, which now I know X. I haven't been on Twitter since it became X, just like not my platform. Right.

Then I got Instagram, then Facebook. I, my life was so different. Like once I graduated from college and it was just Will and I, like the level of peace of not having social media, I don't think I realized what level of peace it was until I got social media. And I'm like, oh, wow, like the world's very different out there than what we were doing. I mean, when I tell you, he would come home from work and we would go on a walk every day or we would go let the dogs run on the tennis courts or we would go to dinner and like wasn't heavy on the phones. And now I look at my life. And I'm like, what would it look like reverting back to that? What an interesting place to be for us, right?

Like, should we do a marketing test? What kind of marketing test? Like where we just go off the map for, I mean, what's a good number of days? Madison says for 24 hours. Oh, first of all, also let me, I know that people have been asking about Kristen and we cannot ignore the fact that she's not here. My words were very, very twisted on the last. episode of karma of, my words were very twisted on the last episode of coffee combos where people

said that, um, like a creator said that I, that she left me personally like Kristen, whatever. Kristen left for medical reasons. That is not our story to tell. Um, I did ask permission to give an update and I did give the update. Lindsay and I are, we wish her the best, obviously. So with that being said, Madison is now filling in where Kristen left off. And so, So we're not asking you to love Madison the same way you loved Kristen. We're not asking for that. We're just, I just want to introduce Madison to everyone. Yeah, she said for 24 hours.

I could do 24 hours. You know what? If it wasn't for like the face to camera stuff that I like like to do when I have stuff going on, I would do it because I don't necessarily like people could run my socials for me. But I just, I'm down to do it. Let's just do it and see what happens. Like just a little marketing test to see what happens. Now, I don't know.

I need, Kail can probably do 24 hours. I could probably do an entire week off of social media and it not impact me at all. I would argue that I could too. You mean you could? Yeah. She says I will put it in the Cal girlies. I just wonder what it would be like. And would it be the same experience that I had before I had social media, knowing that I'm going back to it?

It's not going to be. No, because I think if you're, but if you like it, then maybe you're like slowly, like, decreasing the amount of time you're on it versus consuming it versus, you know what I mean? Because I feel like I know my head is not in the right mental space. When I'm reading less and I'm on my phone more, I already know that. And I think everyone around me would agree that it's just not. a super fun place to be these days. Like social media is like originally I feel like it was a place for all of us to connect. But over time, it has become a place where like I don't want to get one because people are so mean. But the other part of it too is like it feels like everything online is negative right now. So the same reason I stopped

watching the news and like my anxiety like when I when cable was still a huge thing and like I always would have the news on. This was years ago. I had to turn it off because it just felt like the state of our world and the state of our nation was in just fucking shambles. And it was like, I would get anxious about stuff that like wasn't, like, it impacted me, but not like in my everyday life, if that makes sense. And so it was like, I can't do this. Like, it's too much. And that's sort of what social media feels like now.

It's like everything is negative. There's always just negative shit everywhere. And I just don't want to be consumed by it anymore. I have like anxiety enough on my own. Truly. It's funny that you say that because I had to delete Facebook. for a period of time after I had Jackson, mainly because I would have intrusive thought. Like, I would see something bad going on in the world. And it would make me have crazy,

intrusive thoughts. And so Will was like, you have to get off. Like, you have to get off of this because it's causing a state of like somewhat psychosis. And then I kind of got it back. But I have a love, hate relationship with like being in the know and not. Like, I want to know what's going on. Oh, and kale's on the toilet. I love that for us. Wait, are you pooping? No, I'm peeing and I muted it so you wouldn't hear my stream.

Oh, my God. I love knowing what's going on and being informed because I think somewhat it is a level of ignorance to not be informed. But I think people also expect us to be someone. somewhat informed. But then there are certain things that I'm like, I'm already so overstimulated and have such a high level of anxiety that sometimes I can't, it's better for me to be in the unknown. Sorry, I couldn't hold it anymore.

Madison just said this is insane. She didn't know what she was signing up for when she decided to take on coffee combos. She was like, yeah, I think I could do that. But she didn't know truly what that entailed. No, I agree with you. It's like, I need to know. just enough to be informed, but I don't want to know the extra details because my anxiety is already through the roof. Like I have intrusive thoughts on the right. Like after the horse video went viral

last, I guess in December or January, whenever that came out, I was like, oh my God, that could have been so much worse. And then I started spiraling into, okay, I could have a spinal cord injury. Well, I better make sure everything is okay for my kids because what if they have a spinal cord injury? Like, I want to prevent that if I can. So like it was like, so imagine that. But then like the news. So it's like, okay, well, this is going on over here. Okay, well, then I turn it into how it will directly, like, how will this happen to my family? And so my, and then I have to protect my kids. And then I have like all these intrusive thoughts about that. And they're not even just like, they're not far off because of the state of everything in our freaking country and truly the world.

Do you ever miss? I feel like I'm reminiscing a lot right now. And I don't know if it's because I'm just like in a sad state that I'm looking back over the year. of my life. And I'm like, that was, I'm trying to find like pieces of happy moments of everything feels so dark right now. And I'm like, what I would give to just go back to when the country shut down from COVID. And nobody really knew what was going on. Some of us were living in fear. Some of us didn't care. Plethora of things were, we're transpiring. But Will and I would take Jackson like to go on walking trails and we were very disconnected from our phones and we weren't seeing people and like truly that was the the best time of my marriage ever and not saying that I want to

go back to my marriage so people do not twist what I'm saying but like that was such a happy time of my life and it truly felt like off the grid living I definitely think there were some pros to like that part of it was like you're forced to be present with your family. You're forced to be present with your kids. And as overwhelming as it was at times with like virtual learning, no, there are so many people that probably would not have gotten to spend that amount of time with their kids if it wasn't for that. And so and I, I know like people were dying. But other people also got to spend time with their kids. So it was a weird juxtaposition. It, it was very odd. And now I am in the middle state.

I don't know if you get like this, but I'm like, I need to pick out some of those things that I was loving during happy times and like go back to doing those things. So like meal prepping on Sundays, remember when Will used to meal prep my taco bowls? Yes, I remember. I will never forget the Taco Bowl meal prepping situation. And I just need to kind of like get back. to that. And, you know, Jackson loves going out to dinner. He loves it. I also love it somewhat a foodie. And if people looked at me, they're like, she's so tiny. How could she be a foodie? But like, I know how to eat.

Love it. But now I'm like, okay, I really need to get my crock pot back out. I do need to get my crock pot back out. That's the mental mindset that I'm currently in and it's somewhat crazy. I know. But speaking of social media, have you been following all of the Hillary Duff stuff? A little bit. I know Hillary Duff is back. She's on tour. She looks fantastic. All of her trending TikToks are hitting.

And I watched an interview about her that I could talk about in a second. But I'm following her coming back. Like, not coming back. She never went anywhere. But she's like making a, she's having a glow up moment. She talked about something about like just because you're part of a family. doesn't mean that that family will always stay together or something like that. And I want to say that was in regards to maybe her sister.

I don't know what the beef is between her and her sister. I don't really know what the beef is either. I didn't dive too terribly deep into it. But I did see this morning when I was doom scrolling, just that I don't need to be doing that and then I was doing it. I do think that her sister, it was said that her sister was hanging out with Ashley Tisdale. and there was beef with like in the friend group. Yeah, I knew about,

I knew about the, the friend group beef and the Ashley Tisdale thing. Okay, so this is on, I just did a simple Google search, why don't Hillary and Haley talk? And it says, Hillary Duff confirmed in February of 2026 that her song,

We Don't Talk is about her estranged relationship with her sister Haley, describing the rift as the most lonely part of my existence. The feud. stems from tensions between Haley and Hillary's husband, Matthew, as well as differing views on pandemic safety. I mean, I could honestly see that causing a fallout, truly. Okay. So it says on Google, this is not a fact. It just says on Google, speculation suggests that there's a political divide because Hillary leans more liberally where, liberally, is that a word, where Haley is more conservative. I'm not sure if that's true or false.

but that's what Google says. I just think that she looks absolutely fantastic. Oh, Hillary is, she's on fire. I mean, she's stunning. I'm going to go look on her Instagram, but she looks so good. She looks like she feels good, too. And that's important is like making sure you feel exactly how you look. Oh, she's got a big following.

I follow her on Instagram. And did you see that the dad, her, like Lizzie McGuire dad, passed away. I don't know his real needs. No. Yeah. Really? Mm-hmm. I mean, I just can't believe that, not that she wasn't always, like, pretty, but what she looks like now and the glow up that freaking transpired and then just being on tour and her TikToks are fantastic, I'm like, go ahead, girl. Oh, I love it. She has a vinyl album. him and Elie final. So I want to see if I don't think he even knows who she is,

but I think it would be fun if we watch, if me and him watched Lizzie McGuire and then he could understand the hype. Were you a huge Lizzie McGuire fan? Huge Lizzie McGuire fan. Like I could see that. Oh my God. You couldn't tell me. Lizzie McGuire was my bitch.

You know what I mean? Like I loved her. Were you like a Boy Meets World fan too? Oh my God. Boy Meets World. Lizzie McGuire obsessed. All right, so I'm super excited about this hack that I found. It's called Super Plus RX.

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So stop overpaying for your prescriptions. Go to super.com slash RX right now to see how much you can see. I'm kind of think like what else was like airing during that time? During the Lizzie McGuire era. Yeah. Maybe that's so Raven came. a little bit after that. I loved that So Raven.

That's so Raven. Let me, boy meets where I didn't like the reboot of Boy Meets World like girl meets world. I didn't love. I didn't like that either. But that's So Raven is where I mean, I watched that So Raven like habitually. And I am almost certain that that's where like my interest of psychics came from.

From that So Raven? Yes. Oh my God. That's so funny. Yeah, I loved that one. I was like a Disney Channel girly once we got cable. We didn't always have cable. How far after Lizzie McGuire was Hannah Montana?

I wasn't that long, right? No, I was late to the Hannah Montana situation. I have this weird thing and I read online recently that there's like a term for it where for most of my life I have I have opposed. Like I've been not against. don't want to say against, but I do not like to jump on the bandwagon of like mainstream things. So like when Hannah Montana was huge, I was not a fan. I was not a fan at all. When Justin Bieber was fucking huge when when I was in high school, I was not a fan. Jonas Brothers was not a fan. I just like could not get on board with these like these like trends that Taylor Swift. Like

I can't even now I struggle with it. So I know a trend that you got on during the time that it was going on. Labuboos was the only thing. No. What? Mary Kate and Ashley. Okay. But I was, yeah.

Got her. Mary Kate and Ashley is one that I was, I was on, I was on board with Mary Kate and Ashley. But Hannah Montana, I was really late to that. Justin Bieber. I'm trying to, like, I, even now, I just struggle with like, if it's everywhere, if everyone's, Bridgeton, I'm not watching Bridgetton, because I know. knew how big it was everywhere else.

Products, like Love Shack Fancy. I have no idea about that. Like, I don't like me. I like to be like in the underdog world. I mean, I can kind of understand that. I am more, I'm more like I want to be one with friends. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Like, I love the trends. Like, what is going on? I need to ask you, Do you have things like this just like laying around your house in it, you like love it, but it also pisses you off? Like, why is this? What is that? In my kitchen. Is that from the 3D printer?

No, this is some axolotle because Jackson really wanted an axolotle. And so I told him my bottom one, it was this. We went through the axelotel phase two, but the more I read about them and how complicated they are to I am a really good living environment. I said no fucking way. Because I'm not doing this shit when you guys aren't home. Like I'm not taking care of this animal, this creature while you guys are at your dads for a week or for Lincoln all summer.

I'm not fucking doing it. Oh, wait. Speaking of kids, you need to tell everybody about the ADHD hoodies that you sent me over the weekend. Okay. So it's no secret. Lindsay and I both have ADHD, but also my kids have ADHD. one of my kids specifically.

I am speculating. Another child of mine has it. And so I'm scrolling and I see this like ad, a sponsored post for these hoodies where you put your hands inside the pockets of the hoodies and it has like textured ribbing in a design to like fidget with. And then also right here, there's like a stress ball and a thumbhole here. Once they come, I'll take a picture of the kids in them. But like it has like a padded.

sleeve with a thumbhole so you can like do this. And so I thought that was really cool because I want to see if it works. And I do have an affiliate link. So like it's not a sponsored post or whatever, but they like give people affiliate links when you order. And what I loved about this is that it came with when you make your purchase. So there's a deal where you can get two hoodies for like a discounted price. And then there was there's two PDFs that come through with. the order and it's like a journal and like writing prompts for anxiety and ADHD. Oh, cool. Yeah. And so

like I placed the order, whatever, sent me like the tracking information. And then I got another email like a few hours later and maybe the next day and it was like download your PDFs now. So I clicked on it. And it's like the writing prompts and journal prompts for it, which I thought was so cute. Do you remember back when like, I mean, fidgets had probably been around for a lot longer than we would even acknowledge. But when fidgets became like, like the cool it thing to have and kids were allowed to take them to school. Yeah. And now they're not allowed to take them to school.

Oh, are they not? We are classrooms. The teachers are, I think, more so providing them. So like I've seen. Really? Yeah. Like if they're already in the classroom or they know ahead of time like from the parents or something that a child has like ADHD or whatever,

I've heard them put like Velcro strips under the desk so that like you could stick your hand in the desk and just fidget with it. or like something that's quiet to fidget with. I didn't have the Velcro in his desk. He also had some type of like little ADHD seat attachment thing on his desk. Yep. Yep. I love that though.

Or like non-tural. Did you get these for all of your children or just the ones that we know are ADHD? I got one for Lux and I got one for Creed because I suspect that he might have. have a little touch of ADHD. I'm going to get him evaluated, but I got them for both. Kiel, I have to tell you, on Sunday, I am strolling around my house and my PJs that like, it's fine if Jackson sees me in those PJs, but other people should not be seeing me in those PJs.

Like they're a little like short shorts and, you know, no bra, titty's out for. flapping and shit, okay? Titty's out flapping is crazy. So we'll ask me, we went to a Clemson basketball game on Saturday and he asked me if he could pick him up on Sunday to take him to a family birthday party. And I'm like, yeah, please tell me why my ex-husband was roaming around my house in my pantry, looking at all of my appliances, opening my drawers. Do you have anybody in your life that just like goes through everything that does not belong to them? Yeah. Who? Rebecca. I've watched her dig through two of my bags while I've sat here. But what is she looking for? No, I mean. I've been recording. I don't know. I just let her do it. And saying at my house, like, if someone

needs something, they're just going through my shit, like, I don't know. Does it, does it bother you if somebody goes through your shit? It depends. who and what I mean. Like I also had like when Havi and I were on better terms like he would he used to do that. You know, like there's just like a comfort that you have with someone that you've known for 20 years. You know, like not that I've known Hobby for 20 years, but you get what I'm saying. So I feel like there's just some level of like my what's mine is yours kind of deal. But it's not. What's mine is mine is mine. What's mine is mine. Yeah. I'm also. that type of person as well. I just, I'm like, what are you doing? And I'm following him around at this point

in my house and these like shorty short PJs. And I'm like, where are you going? And like, what, what is it that you are looking for? Because if you're looking for something, I can help you find it. And I'll tell you exactly where it is. And he's like, no, I just need to look at all these appliances that you have in your pantry because, you know, I could steal something from you and you wouldn't even know it. I'm like, okay, this is why ex-husband should not be in homes. You're like, actually, you can wait on the curb. I'll meet you outside. Yes.

Catch me outside. How about that? What are we going to do whenever we're in Dallas work? Fuck shit up at work. I wish there was like something like fun to do, you know? Yeah. I mean, I don't know how much time we'll have since we have to have dinner with our bosses. Like, can me you and Ike go on an adventure?

What kind of adventure? Well, I mean, I don't know. Find somewhere to fish. You guys, go eat oysters. Find somewhere to fish. Find something to do. Yeah. Go eat some oysters on the half shell. Yeah. I'm not eating oysters, but I'll film you guys eat oysters.

Have you ever? No. Well, then how do you know? Wait. Because I can get to smell. They don't smell. They look like they look like the texture is of boogers. I mean, yes, but it's not. It's not like a snot rocket. My nanny says that too. She's like, I'm not eating that snot.

No, it looks like the texture of snot. It looks like I would be putting a lugi in my mouth. It is just so, when I tell you, it is so good. And if you know how to order oysters and you know how to prepare them on your cracker, it is one of the best treats and delicacies of my life. Okay. Oh, you know what I saw on TikTok the other day that I have been waiting to ask you? What? Does snails have ears? No, I think they just have those tentacles.

I think those act as ears. But are those considered ears? Probably not. Probably not. But why wouldn't they be? If you're acting as them, why wouldn't they be considered them? Because I just, I think that they are like a snail's version of ears, but I don't necessarily believe that they are actual ears. So like they act as ears, but they're not literally. Okay. Last question that I have to ask you before we do foul play. Okay.

If you lost one sense, like, see, taste, smell here, which one would you be okay with going? See, smell, taste, hears. Well, I guess taste is, oh yeah, that's different. Yeah. Which one? I would say smell. Because it would affect my taste, but I also just, I feel like my ears and my eyes are like necessary. I would, I don't want to like breed this into existence, but I think that I would not want to hear anything anymore.

Well, Elliot could teach you ASO. You know what? I am so impressed when I see his videos. I'm like, what is happening and how did he learn that? He started self-taught and then, like, self-teaching himself through like YouTube and stuff like that. And then I started, he asked me to start taking classes. He had a class in school expanded from that to, or I think he actually started learning online first, took that class. And then I started paying for classes.

So, like outside of school, paying for him to take the classes to, you know, accelerate in, you know, all of it. And so that's, that's just how. I just love it for him. He's such a cool freaking kid. He really is. And on that note, we have foul play. Fowl play. Okay, hold on.

Let's scroll to the bottom. Okay. For the love of God, please keep this anonymous. Many years back on Christmas Day, my boyfriend at the time came over to my parents' house where I was living to exchange gifts. I was spending the day with his family after our gift exchange. So my parents said goodbye to us and went on their way to my aunt's house. We took advantage of having the house to ourselves and decided to have sex on the couch. He was on top and things were going hard and fast when all of a sudden his dick slipped out and he rammed it back in.

The only issue is that he rammed it into my fucking asshole and not my vagina. I think I almost blacked out from the pain. I immediately started bleeding and it wouldn't stop. We still went to his family's house and the entire time while engaging in conversation with this family, I was bleeding out of my fucking ass. Merry Christmas to me. Love you girls and love the show. Okay.

So is that ever happened to you where you're like, it's pound town and then all of a sudden it's just like a little slip and then it's straight butt hole? No. I've never had it like done done that way. Just like when they like try to put it back in and it like bends and it hurts both of us. It like doesn't go in the right like it like hits the side and it hurts so bad and I know it hurts them. But like I've done anal and that shit hurts. Like it literally feels like you're being ripped open. So like I can't imagine it doing like you being shocked with that like super fast, super hard. You're bleeding and it's still going to hurt for hours after. And I just feel like that would create a hemroid. You know what I? I mean. It's going to create something and doesn't sound good. That's straight asshole trauma. Like I could not.

No. No, I will tell you that happened to me one time that I can like distinctively remember. Almost that exact situation happened to me. And I just laid on the bed face down, bawling my eyes out and holding my asshole. It's the worst feeling ever. And I don't know how people, you know, different strokes for different folks. You know what I mean? Like if you like to, you know, take it up the ass, girl, that is on you.

That is just not my cup of tea. It doesn't feel like it's a pleasurable experience for me. And I'll die on that hill. I just, I really think that the people who love it, I, I've said this over and over again. I think that it, they love it for the other person. There's no way they find that pleasurable. But do you think the people, I do think that some people find it pleasurable. I would agree with that to some extent, but is it because they're assholes bigger than ours?

Or does that have anything to do with it at all? No, I think for men, it's like, okay, their G spot is there, right? For women, there's really outside of the nerve endings, but like, I don't know about anyone else. It hurts if you take a poop that's too big. So like, what the fuck do I look like trying to shove something into it? It's for exit, not entry. And like, I will die on that hill. I used to date somebody who wanted to play with my ass all the time.

And I'm just like, type it in the chat right now. This kind of feels like a flag. No. Yes. Yeah, wanted to play with my ass all the time. And I'm like, I don't like it. Like, can you stop and would like do it when we were like actively having sex?

And it's like, yeah, see, you just ruined it for me. And now I'm going to have to cuss you out. out. It went from moaning to cuss out. Yes. You're like, hold up. Oh, my God. Can you believe it?

Well, what the fuck? And like, what was he getting out of that? I don't know because, you know, I just really don't understand if you're fingering somebody's asshole, what the person's getting out of it unless it's like a just like, oh, I played with her asshole. I want no parts. I want no parts. I want no parts. I don't want to play with someone else's and I don't want mine played with, but like to each their own. I remember when we were back in college.

I don't know if it was just like a popular time that people were playing with assholes or not. This were like 2012. No, not 2012. 2009. I feel like it was a very popular time for our age group to be do an asshole play. And the baseball team would be like, did you? fucker in the ass yet. And it's like, no. No. We, first of all, that wasn't happening to me at that time. I was too young to even know that that was a thing. In 2009, you already had a kid. No, I had

Elliot in 2010 and didn't learn about butthole play until like a year later after that. Did you know about sucking dick and those types of things before you had Elliott? Or did you do? Or did you I learned what sex was when I had it. Like the day that I was having it was like, oh, you stick a body part in somebody else's body part. Got it. I swear. I literally swear. I did not understand what sex.

Like, I didn't know until I did it. And I was like, oh, what? And then this is the person that has seven children. Now. Blame Susie. I don't, what do you want from me? I didn't teach myself. I didn't know what I didn't know.

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